{"id":5089,"date":"2021-12-05T09:03:51","date_gmt":"2021-12-05T14:03:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dahlman.online\/?p=5089"},"modified":"2021-12-06T10:46:20","modified_gmt":"2021-12-06T15:46:20","slug":"taking-the-fifth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dahlman.online\/index.php\/2021\/12\/05\/taking-the-fifth\/","title":{"rendered":"Taking the Fifth"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Film Noire<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>I guess you have to be a \u201ccertain age\u201d to remember those old movies.&nbsp;&nbsp;I certainly don\u2019t remember them from the theatre, but on Saturday afternoons or late in the night, they were on TV.&nbsp;&nbsp;They were \u201cfilm noire\u201d and some of the favorites of my parents\u2019 generation.&nbsp;&nbsp;But for me they were grainy, black and white cops and robbers films, with an anti-hero as a criminal or a shady detective, who always had a \u201cfemme fatale\u201d on his arm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The great players of Mom and Dad\u2019s generation were all there:&nbsp;&nbsp;Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Becall, Burt Lancaster and Ava Gardner, Robert Mitchum and Jane Greer, William Holden and Gloria Swanson, Orson Welles and Joan Crawford.&nbsp;&nbsp;They had offices in seedy buildings, chain smoked and talked out of the side of their mouths, and double crossed each other time and time again.&nbsp;&nbsp;The cops were often as bad as the criminals, and there was no such thing as a \u201chappy ending\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And no one ever got to \u201ctake the Fifth\u201d.&nbsp;&nbsp;They were shot, or tricked, or a confession was \u201csweated out\u201d of them under the swinging light hanging from a single cord. Getting justice wasn\u2019t usually the issue, revenge was.&nbsp;&nbsp;And the moral of the story \u2013 there might not be any morals in the world at all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">US Constitution<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So what is the Fifth?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution outlines the rights of someone accused of a crime.&nbsp;&nbsp;The portion we\u2019re concerned with is:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u201c No person\u2026shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In our criminal process, no one can be required to answer questions or make statements that could incriminate themselves, that is, help prove their guilt.&nbsp;&nbsp;It\u2019s such an important part of our Constitutional process that, since 1966, each time law enforcement questions a suspect, the officer is required to notify the suspect that they do not have to answer questions \u2013 the famous&nbsp;&nbsp;Miranda Rights from the Supreme Court case of the same name. \u201cYou have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a Court of Law.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And the Fifth Amendment right crosses over to almost every government interaction with the public.&nbsp;&nbsp;A Congressional Committee can require a witness to answer questions.&nbsp;&nbsp;But they cannot require that the witness \u201cconfess\u201d to a crime.&nbsp;&nbsp;So it shouldn\u2019t be a surprise that some former Trump officials are seeking the protection of the Fifth Amendment.&nbsp;&nbsp;In fact, the surprise is that they took so long to do so.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cTaking the Fifth\u201d is NOT a confession.&nbsp;&nbsp;In fact, juries are instructed that they cannot infer guilt because someone refused to testify, invoking their Fifth Amendment right.&nbsp;&nbsp;It\u2019s a right every American has, guilty, innocent, or somewhere in between (like the Film Noire anti-heroes).&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Executive Privilege<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>There are several laws they may have been violated by the Trump Administration and their supporters in the two months after the 2020 election.&nbsp;&nbsp;Certainly those who led the crowds to attack the Capitol on January 6th are likely candidates for criminal charges.&nbsp;&nbsp;And the \u201cleaders\u201d who developed the entire strategy of trying to undermine and overturn the 2020 election results may have criminal exposure.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When former Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark was called to testify in front of the January 6th Committee, his first defense of&nbsp;&nbsp;\u201cexecutive privilege\u201d was unlikely.&nbsp;&nbsp;That law is clear:&nbsp;&nbsp;executive privilege, the idea that a President ought to be able to get confidential advice, only applies to the current executive.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Clark, and the \u201clegal mind&#8221; behind \u201cStop the Steal\u2019, attorney John Eastman, now realize that they may have broken the law.&nbsp;&nbsp;So their best bet, and most effective way to avoid questions, is to \u201cTake the Fifth\u201d.&nbsp;&nbsp;And they have every right to do so.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Money Talks<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So why didn\u2019t they do that in the first place?&nbsp;&nbsp;Why start on a shaky legal foundation, the \u201cprivilege\u201d argument, when they had firm footing in the Fifth Amendment?&nbsp;&nbsp;The answer lives at Mara Lago in Florida.&nbsp;&nbsp;While legally \u201ctaking the Fifth\u201d doesn\u2019t imply guilt, in the mind of the general public, someone who does must be hiding something.&nbsp;&nbsp;Invoking the Fifth Amendment raises the question of criminality, that somewhere in their actions laws were broken.&nbsp;&nbsp;And, of course, the man in Mara Lago cannot stand the concept that something in \u201cStop the Steal\u201d was illegal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And this isn\u2019t just a legal question, it\u2019s a financial one as well.&nbsp;&nbsp;Those lawyers sitting beside the witness get paid, probably $500 an hour. Someone has to pick up the tab.&nbsp;&nbsp;All of these potential witnesses needr help for legal fees, and the obvious answer is the hundreds of millions raised by the Trump Campaign of 2020 and 2024.&nbsp;&nbsp;Implying crime is not a way to reach those funds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Immunity<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>However, unlike the shaky \u201cprivilege\u201d argument, the Fifth Amendment protection does have one vulnerability.&nbsp;&nbsp;The Fifth only applies if there is a risk of criminal action.&nbsp;&nbsp;So the January 6th Committee has the ultimate \u201ccure\u201d to the Fifth.&nbsp;&nbsp;Like every Congressional Committee, they have the power to grant immunity from prosecution.&nbsp;&nbsp;Once immunity is granted, then the Fifth Amendment no longer applies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Immunity can be transactional, question by question, or it can be \u201cblanket\u201d over an entire testimony.&nbsp;&nbsp;There are often questions a witness can answer that do not incriminate, and those don\u2019t need to be \u201cimmunized\u201d.&nbsp;&nbsp;That high priced lawyer sitting beside the witness has \u201cjust one job\u201d:&nbsp;&nbsp;to make sure that if an answer will be incriminating, the witness either \u201cTakes the Fifth\u201d or gets immunity for the answer.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The question for the Committee:&nbsp;&nbsp;if everyone gets immunity, the Committee gets answers but no justice; no one to take responsibility for what happened in those two fateful months.&nbsp;&nbsp;But if no one gets immunity, there will be a lot of information that never comes out.&nbsp;&nbsp;And that\u2019s problem the Committee members will need to solve.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Like those old films, there probably won\u2019t be a \u201chero\u201d on the witness stand (and no femme fatale).&nbsp;&nbsp;No matter what the Committee reveals, there\u2019s not likely to be a happy ending either.&nbsp;&nbsp;But, unlike Film Noire, the Committee may get justice.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Film Noire I guess you have to be a \u201ccertain age\u201d to remember those old movies.&nbsp;&nbsp;I certainly don\u2019t remember them from the theatre, but on Saturday afternoons or late in the night, they were on TV.&nbsp;&nbsp;They were \u201cfilm noire\u201d and some of the favorites of my parents\u2019 generation.&nbsp;&nbsp;But for me they were grainy, black and &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/dahlman.online\/index.php\/2021\/12\/05\/taking-the-fifth\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Taking the Fifth&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5089","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Taking the Fifth : Our America - Essays on Politics and American Life<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Trump officials are exercising their rights - they are taking the Fifth. 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